Voldemort Drawing Easy Full Body
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Voldemort(Harry Potter) Vs. General Grievous(Star Wars)
- Thread starter Under_Mandela19
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- #1
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Legends Grievous. Possesses iv lightsabers and an E - v blaster rifle.
Victory via Expiry
Who wins?
- #ii
- #three
What super fast movement speed feats does he have?Legends Grievous should be way too fast for Voldemort to really hit with whatsoever of his spells
- #four
- #v
What super fast motion speed feats does he take?
(two:41)
- #6
Aside from the spinny arms of doom nothing there seems that obviously superhuman speed-wise?
- #seven
(3:36) & (3:42)Aside from the spinny arms of doom nothing there seems that plainly superhuman speed-wise?
- #8
3:36 has him have about a bit less than a 2d to cross his trunk length past jumping. Grievous being two.2 meters tall, that ways he's moving a bit faster than two.ii meters/2d or then, this is not superhuman.
three:42 is him launching himself by boot off the ground, and isn't patently superhuman at a glance either. If you want to say that information technology is superhuman, bear witness the math for it; the angle makes it tougher to summate than the other ane then I'yard not doing the work for y'all.
- #ix
You said….3:36 has him take most a flake less than a 2nd to cantankerous his body length by jumping. Grievous existence 2.two meters tall, that means he'south moving a bit faster than ii.2 meters/2nd or so, this is not superhuman.three:42 is him launching himself past kick off the ground, and isn't obviously superhuman at a glance either. If y'all desire to say that it is superhuman, show the math for it; the angle makes it tougher to calculate than the other one and then I'm not doing the work for you.
And then why are you specifying "superhuman" now? He'south faster than any Harry Potter character that Voldemort had to fight, that'due south all that matters.What super fast movement speed feats does he take?
- #ten
Because beingness 'way as well fast' for a homo beingness to target requires being superhuman.You said….And then why are you specifying "superhuman" now?
You haven't even established that much yet.He's faster than any Harry Potter character that Voldemort had to fight, that'due south all that matters.
For the record what y'all cited equally 1 of his super fast movement speeds? Is slower than the average human running speed.
And so please, evidence your work.
- #xi
Y'all oasis't fifty-fifty established that much yet.
(three:06) Oh yeah, they're moving incredibly fast here. Nosotros've seen the movies, Harry Potter characters aren't fast.
Bullshit. You lot used his tiptop instead of the actual altitude he crossed.For the record what you cited equally one of his super fast move speeds? Is slower than the average human running speed.
What work? I'm showing that he can move fast. I never made any numerical claims like y'all did.So please, testify your work.
He doesn't need to be too fast for "any human being beingness." Only faster than Voldemort, which he is.Considering being 'style too fast' for a human to target requires existence superhuman.
- #12
...What?Bullshit. You used his peak instead of the actual distance he crossed.
I used his meridian because the distance he crossed to get offscreen was roughly equal to his height. To, yous know, quantify what he did instead of just pretending that it was impressive.
But I might have been overly generous since I was simply eyeballing it. After all I used his full peak instead of taking into account that he was crouching.
That'southward not how this works. All claims of speed are numerical past nature, because the altitude crossed over a flow of time is quantifiable.What work? I'm showing that he tin can move fast. I never fabricated any numerical claims like you lot did.
If you want to claim that Grievous is above the boilerplate human yous have to quantify how fast he is, which requires a numerical claim. Sometimes showings are obvious plenty to non crave being turned into numbers - just nothing y'all've provided is.
- #xiii
As far as I'm aware, that'south not catechism to Disney or Legends.
Interview comes from 2012, 2 years before Legends was decanonised.Speaking of your version of "Clone Wars," does it bother you that in that location'due south another one and that the one you did seems to no longer exist canon?
Yeah. I mean, you know, of grade it bothers me. But, you know, it's George's characters. It's his world and he has to do what he has to do. And the new ones are totally inspired past what we did: A lot of the aforementioned character designs and stuff.
Does that part carp you, likewise?
No, once more, it's not my characters, then he can do whatever he wants. And the story was also that I was going to do it. I was going to go to Lucas and be their John Lasseter-blazon of person and practise a feature and supervise the "Star Wars" goggle box prove. And things kind of fell autonomously, blah apathetic blah. But, yeah, I'm super proud of what we did. And I felt like we did a justice to "Star Wars" and every bit a fan.
I mean, people oasis't forgotten them, even though nosotros are supposed to.
That's the one matter that is kind of weird that he just wants to wipe it off. Because nosotros used to be in the encyclopedias, some of the characters that nosotros created. And now they're gone. And you can't get the DVD and all of this other stuff. And it's similar, whatever. What are yous going to practice, right? It existed.
But it feels like its been thrown on the scrapheap with the Holiday Special.
I think George is brilliant. And I remember he just wants to ... I don't know the reasoning, exactly. But from any sense that I can brand out of information technology, he just wants it to be clean. Simply in that location'due south and so much fiction that's out with "Star Wars," I don't think it would thing.
Evidently the 2003 serial was decanonised because Lucas idea the Jedi were likewise powerful.The way George explained it to me going in was that THE CLONE WARS micro-series was actually an experiment to encounter what kind of audition in that location was for Star Wars in an animated form. There have been droids and Ewoks, but that was a long fourth dimension ago. Then he brought out THE CLONE WARS micro-serial, and it was super action-packed and exciting and actually short installments. And it proved that people wanted to see STAR WARS in a lot of different mediums. So when nosotros into doing this, I think that, at present that George is done with the prequels, he wanted to reestablish the rules a little bit more, similar "Mace Windu can't take out hundreds of boxing droids past himself, otherwise the arena on Geonosis would've been a wipeout; [The jedi] would've won, and there be no Clone Wars. Those are exciting installments, just we don't tie directly into them; we tie more straight into the film that preceded united states, ATTACK OF THE CLONES, and the one that comes afterward us, REVENGE OF THE SITH. We accept cues from [Tartakovsky'due south series]. I definitely pay a big homage to them in some of the design look of it. Anakin wears an outfit that was definitely inspired by what nosotros saw in the other CLONE WARS. Just at that place'southward no direct link-up.
Much faster than that. He disappears offscreen in 5 frames at 30 fps (well, for the YT video anyway, not sure if the fps has been fudged).3:36 has him take near a scrap less than a second to cross his body length by jumping. Grievous being 2.2 meters tall, that means he'due south moving a bit faster than 2.2 meters/2nd or then, this is non superhuman.
Frame by frame. five media limit, and so it doesn't prove the sixth frame where he'due south gone, only yous tin just open information technology in imgur or check the video yourself.
EDIT: think I messed something up on imgur, should be fixed now
- #14
All claims of speed are numerical by nature, because the altitude crossed over a period of time is quantifiable
In this case like in many others judging speed past visuals is massively misguided though. Star Wars like many other animated and live action stuff don't consistently portray accurately the speed of their graphic symbol in movement and in combat with visuals. The same guys who volition not move faster than humans by visuals tin can block barrage of bullets and movement faster than missiles in other scenes or medias.
His fault hither was to bring the scene as a merits of Grievous speed without explaining why this is supposed to be faster than what the visual brandish.
- #15
We've seen the movies, Harry Potter characters aren't fast.
Ah, merely the books are a unlike story. OP didn't specify which version of Voldemort, but he scales in reflexes to Mr. Potter, who has some very good Quidditch skills, indeed. They are in a world where children fly at swell heights, with speeds up to i hundred and fifty miles per hour, to catch golfball-sized Golden Snitches that waltz about like hummingbirds, all while dodging iron balls that weigh as much every bit a human person.
Not that any of that matters; General Grievous loses primarily due to terrain. Fighting in Hogwarts kills Muggle engineering science. At best, Grievous would be massively handicapped by magical energy interference (and he'due south not a Force user, then it'south not like he has a counter).
- #16
Ah, but the books are a different story. OP didn't specify which version of Voldemort, just he scales in reflexes to Mr. Potter, who has some very good Quidditch skills, indeed. They are in a globe where children fly at smashing heights, with speeds up to one hundred and fifty miles per hour, to take hold of golfball-sized Golden Snitches that flit nearly like hummingbirds, all while dodging atomic number 26 balls that weigh every bit much as a human person.
- #17
The distance he crossed in a unmarried leap to go from point A to point B is what should exist measured.I used his height because the distance he crossed to get offscreen was roughly equal to his height. To, you know, quantify what he did instead of just pretending that information technology was impressive.
I call bull on that also. When you see a speeding car you're not putting verbal numbers on information technology when you call it fast. You're pointing out the obvious.That'south not how this works. All claims of speed are numerical past nature.
He's fighting and overpowering several human/human-like warriors who are known for having to a higher place average reflexes. I don't have to quantify a damn thing to evidence he's faster than a human when he SHOWS he's faster than a human in the serial.If you want to claim that Grievous is in a higher place the average human, y'all take to quantify how fast he is, which requires a numerical claim. Sometimes showings are obvious enough to non require existence turned into numbers - only nothing you've provided is.
Still Durge is still an existing graphic symbol in Legends continuity for whatever reason.As far as I'yard aware, that'due south not canon to Disney or Legends.
Decanonised in favor of Filoni's clone wars which became the new canon for Disney, non Legends. If there's whatsoever other fabric that showcase these events that are, for some fucking reason, still catechism to Legends despite the series they originated from beingness "non-catechism" for some reason then signal me to them (I'one thousand not aroused at you, I just think information technology'due south dumb to make a series non-canon but constantly care for the characters and the events that occurred as CANON).Manifestly the 2003 serial was decanonised because Lucas thought the Jedi were likewise powerful.
- #18
The movie version is more impressive in terms of speed depending on how legit you consider some showings to be. Spells go from the range of pointer-speed to bullets depending of the scene and movie .
Fair plenty points! I was working on reflex scaling using Quittitch considering of real-earth physics. Just to quote some arguments from past threads:
Quidditch is simply barbarous compared to real-globe sports (only information technology's played for fun, and by children at that), wizarding children can magically adapt to concrete trauma (Neville somehow bouncing when thrown from an upstairs window), etc.Those are only off the top of my head, only I'm certain there are other feats in the books. The Quidditch one may exist the most damning though:
"Assuming a Bludger is solid iron, it would weigh approximately 149 pounds, as a sphere 10 inches in diameter has 523.6 cubic inches, and iron weighs 0.2845 pounds per cubic inch. "
That'south a 10-inch ball heavier than quite a few people I know, zooming at high speeds, targeting players who are flying quite high above the basis, with the intent to make them fall off their brooms and plummet towards the earth, and yet somehow this sport is non considered lethal. Brand of that what you will.
While I have no prove of Voldemort playing Quidditch, in item, he can hold his own against multiple opponents and spells launched against him all at once, and spars with Harry Potter, who became the youngest Seeker in a century, and thus scales off reflex feats such every bit Harry seeing things move, as if in "deadening move": [Draco Malfoy] threw the drinking glass ball high into the air and streaked back toward the basis. Harry saw, as though in slow motion, the ball rise upwards in the air and then start to autumn (and in another part of the books) Upward in the air, Snape turned on his broomstick just in fourth dimension to see something ruby shoot past him, missing him by inches -- the next 2nd, Harry had pulled out of the dive, his arm raised in triumph, the Snitch clasped in his paw.
Point being that humans in Harry Potter are very much better off than the average man in terms of immovability and reflexes, even without debating spell speeds. Quidditch is a sport that they regularly play for liesure.
- #19
Jedi regularly fight in Starfighters that definitely move faster than brooms along with the fact that Jedi can heighten their reflexes during gainsay with the force.Ah, merely the books are a different story. OP didn't specify which version of Voldemort, only he scales in reflexes to Mr. Potter, who has some very expert Quidditch skills, indeed. They are in a world where children fly at great heights with speeds upward to ane hundred and fifty miles per hour to catch goofball sized Golden Snitches that flit about like hummingbirds while dodging iron balls that counterbalance as much equally a human being person.
And so this match is rigged from the outset! Voldemort wins by default, proxy of the surround.Not that any of that matters; Full general Grievous loses primarily due to terrain. Fighting in Hogwarts kills applied science. At best, Grievous would be massively handicapped past the energy interference.
- #20
Jedi regularly fight in Starfighters that definitely motility faster than brooms forth with the fact that Jedi can raise their reflexes during gainsay with the forcefulness.Then this friction match is rigged from the start! Voldemort wins by default, proxy of the environment.
True, but Jedi have the reward of using the Force, which Grievous does not.
On the other hand, that's not bad reflex scaling for Grievous, since he can spar with opponents that benefit from supernatural reaction times and notwithstanding be a credible threat to them.
Equally for the 2nd indicate, that's probably an oversight on the part of the OP (information technology'south easy to forget that technology doesn't work at Hogwarts). Under_Mandela19, yous may wish to pick fairer terrain!
- #21
Fair enough points! I was working on reflex scaling using Quittitch because of real-world physics. Simply to quote some arguments from past threads:Point being that humans in Harry Potter are very much better off than the average man in terms of immovability and reflexes, fifty-fifty without debating spell speeds. Quidditch is a sport that they regularly play for liesure.
Yep, well said. People tend to lowball HP verse by saying that wizards are non faster than trained humans when everything indicate to the opposite, even articulate feats. That said while my knowledge of Legends is massively limited I think that Voldemort get crushed with the infos that I have.
- #22
This is the exact moment he starts moving forrad (lookout his visible leg) and he's left the screen 11 frames afterward, using the "." shortcut to accelerate frame by frame.Much faster than that. He disappears offscreen in 5 frames at 30 fps (well, for the YT video anyway).
If you get-go counting the moment he prepares his bound (here) it'due south around 24 frames instead.
- #23
Yes, well said. People tend to lowball HP verse by saying that wizards are not faster than trained humans when everything point to the opposite, even clear feats. That said while my knowledge of Legends is massively limited I think that Voldemort get crushed with the infos that I take.
Agreed! While Potterverse wizards are nowhere near as frail and slow as people recollect (and don't become me started on mental resistance feats, for which people mistakenly think Harry Potter is vulnerable against heed attacks, as opposed to resistant), this is non Voldemort's fight to win. Legends Grievous is a beast.
The simply matter left is if Voldemort'south ability to wing or create area-of-effect spells have whatever hard counters. The films give him a keen shockwave effect that can destroy electricity pylons (which, depending on how you translate that scene, may give Voldemort a mini-EMP/anti-tech attack).
Voldemort'due south all-time strategy is probably to fly up and use AOE spells to accept downwards Grievous at a altitude, or perhaps catch the cyborg in the electricity-disrupting shockwave seen in Deathly Hallows: Office 1.
- #24
Knock yourself out trying to calculate the total distance crossed by a jump over a period of time with shifting photographic camera angles that accept the characters moving offscreen betwixt them.The altitude he crossed in a single bound to get from bespeak A to point B is what should be measured.
You are if you're trying to debate about the car's speed in a debate, in a section of the forum that requires you to provide prove.I call balderdash on that besides. When y'all see a speeding motorcar you lot're not putting exact numbers on it when you call information technology fast. You're pointing out the obvious.
So just to clarify, yous're refusing to provide testify when your merits is put into question?He'south fighting and overpowering several human being/human-like warriors who are known for having above average reflexes. I don't have to quantify a damn thing to prove he's faster than a homo when he SHOWS he's faster than a homo in the series.
If Grievous SHOWS he's faster than a human, you lot should be able to provide information technology.
What showing practice you feel grant him a definitive win?Legends Grievous is a brute.
- #25
What showing do you experience grant him a definitive win?
It'due south really more of a track record thing. Harry Potter wizards are bang-up and all, just they're not Jedi. Voldemort is a threat to multiple Aurors. Great! Grievous is a threat to multiple Jedi, whose ability toolkits and feats in Legends just far outstrip Potterverse wizards.
That said, a Voldemort victory is non out of the question; one practiced resistance-bypassing spell or the aforementioned anti-electricity shockwave coupled with flight might be enough to be victorious in a directly-upwards fight, but in the enclosed space of the cafeteria (which I assume OP ways to be the Bang-up Hall) there isn't much room for maneuvering on Voldemort's part.
If Voldemort can flee from the Swell Hall into the remainder of the castle, that's another matter altogether. Bold Hogwarts doesn't screw upwardly Grievous and his technology from the get-go, which probably means Voldemort tin also Apparate, something usually not possible in Hogwarts as long every bit the magic field is upward, Voldemort tin can utilise the abode-turf reward to lure Grievous into any of the numerous trap rooms or trick areas, which are all OCPs for the Jedi-Killer, only great toys for the Dark Lord to play with. In which case this is as much a victory for Hogwarts as it is for Voldemort.
This incidentally reminds me that I should accept mentioned in the Voldermort vs. MCU Spiderman thread that web-shooters and Iron Human souvenir armors would accept also been rendered useless from the first. Merely that'due south no fun to debate, and Mr. Parker would have won without them anyway.
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